‘RHOM’ Star Lisa Hochstein Clarifies Why Boyfriend Jody Glidden Interrupted Her Confessional: “He Was Protecting Me”

Lisa Hochstein has had a difficult few years on The Real Housewives of Miami. Bravo fans watched as her marriage to Lenny Hochstein fell apart, resulting in a contentious divorce and bitter custody battle over their two children. The reality star—now officially divorced from Lenny—has credited her boyfriend Jody Glidden with being her “rock” through the hard times. However, some of her castmates (cough, cough, Larsa Pippen) have been skeptical about Glidden’s true intentions.

One moment that raised red flags with viewers was when Glidden appeared to interrupt Lisa’s confessional from off-camera in Season 7, Episode 5, seemingly stopping her from oversharing details about her divorce agreement with Lenny. When Lisa stopped by Decider’s studio last week, she revealed that Glidden’s commentary was “taken out of context,” and that he has a “great understanding of the law” since he attended Harvard and took “a bunch of law classes.”

“He was like, ‘Wait, wait. Don’t say that because you could get in trouble for that,’” Lisa explained. “He was protecting me. It’s not like he always comes to my interviews. He just happened to be there that day because we had plans. It’s not that big of a deal, but he just has my back. That’s really what it is. He’s not controlling at all.”

Based on what we’ve seen this season, Pippen would likely beg to differ. The former best friends were embroiled in a feud after Lisa and Glidden continued to follow Pippen’s ex-boyfriend Marcus Jordan after their breakup. Lisa also felt like Pippen wasn’t a good friend to her after she had lost her father. While the women reconciled in the most recent episode, Lisa admitted that “it doesn’t feel great” now that she’s rewatching the season.

“It’s been a while since we’ve done those scenes, and we kind of got to a better place and now that we’re reliving it and rehashing these emotions and feelings, I’m in my feelings,” she shared.

When we caught up with Lisa, she also spoke about her new company SplitWell, co-parenting with Lenny, and who out of her cast displays the most narcissistic traits. Check out the full interview below.

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DECIDER: I’m so excited to have you here today. What was your mindset going into this season of Miami? 

LISA HOCHSTEIN: I knew that I was going to have an issue with Larsa because it started before filming, so I knew I was walking into that. I was excited because I knew I was gonna walk in Milan Fashion Week for Phillip Plein. That was an amazing moment. That was in Vogue, also, so that was awesome. I have a background in modeling, so it was really cool to show what I’ve done for basically my whole life. But besides that, you know, the norm. The fights and the make-ups and the break-ups, the whole thing. Then Alexia and her divorce, I knew that was gonna be a big thing. And I feel terrible for her. 

How have you been able to be there for her? Because you very recently went through your own divorce.

With me at least, she’s been a little secretive. I think she’s trying to protect her relationship, or what is left of it with her and Todd to not hurt him in case they were to rekindle their relationship, and I get that. I tried to ask questions, but I backed off because I didn’t want to push too much, because that’s not great when you have somebody pushing and pushing and pushing for info. I said, “Whenever you’re ready, just tell me.” So, I don’t really know too much because they’re back and forth. It’s complicated when you’re in love.

I always love seeing you in mom mode. How is co-parenting with Lenny going? 

Basically kind of coexisting. I’m trying my best to co-parent. We’re in a kind of high-conflict co-parenting situation, so it’s difficult, for sure.

Every time I see pictures of your kids, they always seem so happy, which is the biggest thing.

That is my priority. All I want for them is to be happy. A lot of kids go through this. There are a lot of divorces out there. But I just try to be very positive. When I’m with them, I’m giving them everything, all my attention, because I only have them 50% of the time right now, which I hate. As a mom, I really wish that I could have them more. But that’s what we’ve agreed on.

I personally love to see you so happy with Jody. How have you guys been navigating some of the things that have been talked about this season regarding your relationship?

It’s been really difficult because he’s not used to this world. He’s a little more to himself and didn’t know what he was getting into. I tried to warn him. But dealing with a divorce, he felt like he was getting divorced also. He has definitely been my rock through this whole thing and is such an amazing support for me. He’s my biggest supporter. Having some of the girls pile in on him was terrible. That put a huge strain on our relationship. I’m surprised that we got through it, but it’s been really tough. But we’re still here, and if we can survive that, what can’t we survive?

Do you think you’ll get married again? 

I don’t necessarily know if I need to get married again, but maybe more of a commitment. Maybe engaged? Just so it’s not like boyfriend-girlfriend. I’m not in high school. That’d be nice to take it to the next level. 

There’s been some chatter about Jody interrupting your confessional in one of the recent episodes. Can you clarify that? 

OK, so that was taken out of context. Jody has a legal background. He went to Harvard and took a bunch of law classes, so he has a great understanding of the law, right? He helps me with a lot of my legal. So when that came up, I wasn’t allowed to say something, so he kind of protected me and he was like, “Wait, wait. Don’t say that because you could get in trouble for that.” He was protecting me. It’s not like he always comes to my interviews. He just happened to be there that day because we had plans. It’s not that big of a deal, but he just has my back. That’s really what it is. He’s not controlling at all. 

There was some drama early on this season between you and Larsa, which seemingly started after she told you to unfollow Marcus and you didn’t.

I just saw an article the other day, and a bunch of her best friends still follow Marcus. I just find that very peculiar. Where is that energy for them? Why so much energy for me? I think Caroline [Stanbury] and her husband follow [him], and I just recently saw that they were in Miami and they stayed at Larsa’s house. She was fine with that. Why is that OK, but it’s not OK for me? Actually, she didn’t tell me that they had broken up that time. She says that he was saying negative things about her and all kinds of things. I didn’t know any of this. I looked at my phone, I’m like, “Did I miss something?” I looked at my phone log conversation with her. There’s no talk about it. Even Instagram. It’s not there, it doesn’t exist. I didn’t know this stuff was happening. Actually, I thought she was living her best life because she’s like, “I’m flying here on this jet.” I’m like, “Oh, great, good for you.” I didn’t see that there was an issue. If she would have told me, I would have felt differently. Also, no one likes to be ordered around or be sworn at like that. It was also her delivery and the way she approached me with it. It’s a whole back story. We’ll probably get into that at the reunion later, but it was a lot … I’ve unfollowed him at this point. Imagine if someone was to say to you, “Fuck you. You better fucking —” whatever it is. Are you just gonna unfollow? I’m not gonna take orders from anyone … Delivery does matter.

Somewhere in the back and forth between you and Larsa, you sent her a photo of your father after he had passed away. What was the thought process behind that?

I was clearly very emotional. I was with my family and was trying to focus on my family, but I had so much anxiety because I’m hearing that she’s saying God knows what about my family, and me and Jody. I needed to show her what was happening because I felt like I was being harassed with these text messages. When I sent her that, she said, “Praying for you, babe.” So, maybe she finally understood what I was going through. It’s not something that I would have normally done. I was just so emotional and full of anxiety. That’s the only way I thought I could stop her. 

How are you and Larsa now? And what do you think would need to happen for you two to rebuild your friendship?

Well, now that I’m rewatching and reliving all of the scenes that I wasn’t involved in, even the scenes I was in, it doesn’t feel great. It’s been a while since we’ve done those scenes, and we kind of got to a better place and now that we’re reliving it and rehashing these emotions and feelings, I’m in my feelings. 

I want to talk about your timeliness. Your castmates all seemed to accept that you being late is a normal thing, but some were happy when Stephanie said what they had all been thinking. Did you realize how much your tardiness bothered them? And have you gotten any better with being on time since then?

Yes. I have been working on myself. I take full responsibility. I don’t like this feeling of being late. It’s not something I do intentionally. It’s my worst flaw. That’s the worst thing I would say about me is that. But I am so much better, I got the message loud and clear. I actually have a time management coach that I’ve been working with. And I have my company SplitWell, and now I manage many people. I have to be an example for them and an example for my children. I’m really trying to do my best. I have not been late. I can’t even remember the last time I have been late. I was three hours early for Andy’s show yesterday. So yeah, on that one, my bad. 

That’s all you can do. 

I had a wardrobe malfunction, also. That’s why Larsa said, “Maybe get a dress that fits you.” People probably don’t understand what that meant, but it’s because my boobs were popping out the entire scene. During the entire event, my boobs were out. I was trying to pull it up, but that’s why she said, “Get a dress that fits you.” That’s one of the reasons I was late, because I was having this wardrobe malfunction. 

I want to talk about this narcissism party that Alexia threw. Everyone gave you the most red flags! What was going through your mind at that moment? Did you expect that to be the outcome? 

I didn’t even know that it was a narcissist party. I was told it was a goddess party, dress like a goddess, we’re celebrating us, we’re celebrating women. And that’s not what it was. It was creating division. I felt ganged up on. Not to play a victim, or whatever they want to say, but I literally just came back from saying goodbye to my father. I didn’t expect friends to treat me like this. I expected a little empathy, and I didn’t get that at all. Guerdy has been great, and Adriana is amazing. She stuck up for me. But I personally could never do that to someone that just lost a relative. It doesn’t matter how close you are or not with somebody. Losing a parent? One of the worst things. It’s really difficult. So I didn’t like that, and I thought it was terrible. 

It seemed like the overall feel was that nobody’s a narcissist, but everyone has narcissistic traits. Who would you say displays the most narcissistic traits out of the group?

I would say Larsa. I have to say all of us have certain traits. All of us have certain narcissistic traits. Like anyone with an Instagram, I think we have a little bit of that within us. But to diagnose somebody as a straight-up narcissist – you’re not a doctor, you’re not a therapist, you can’t really make that diagnosis.

At this event, you and Larsa sat down and tried to work it out, but Guerdy came in and tried to mediate.

When I watched it back, I thought it was funny. I don’t even know because my heart was pounding. I was crying in the bathroom and they caught that. It was my hot mic, crying in the bathroom. I’ve been crying a lot this season. I’ve never really had major issues with anyone. Maybe in Season 3 with Joanna, that was the biggest fight I’ve ever had with a cast member. And then for the last three years I was fighting with my ex. So this is the first time I really had a problem with one of the women on the cast, and it sucks. 

There’s also been a lot of back and forth between Guerdy and Julia. What was your reaction to Julia throwing her drink in Guerdy’s face? And whose side are you currently on?

I’ve never seen her act like that, and if I was there I would have for sure said something. I don’t agree with that. I wasn’t there, and so the whole season I’m like, well what happened? I was so confused until I saw it and I was like, ah, yeah that wasn’t great. I’m pretty sure she probably is mortified by the reaction. I’m sure she wishes she never did that, but it happened. It was very out of character for sure.

It seems like there are a lot of shifts in dynamics this season. Which surprised you the most? 

Well, Larsa and I, that surprised me because I wasn’t expecting that. Again, there’s a whole backstory before filming. I won’t get into it now. With Julia and Adriana, they were besties. They got engaged. They had a whole marriage, friendship, engagement. I didn’t ever see this coming, but it’s unfortunate and Adriana is really upset about it. 

I need to ask you about your company, SplitWell. Please tell me everything about it. You were also somewhere very cool this morning.

Pinch me. What a moment this morning. I was on such a high. I got to ring the Nasdaq bell, and I said a little speech about SplitWell, and it was just so amazing. I was so honored to get that moment, and then to have SplitWell in Times Square on this huge digital sign. I sent a video to my mom. I couldn’t believe that I did that with my team. 

SplitWell is an AI powered divorce support platform aimed to help people lower the cost with their divorces, because divorces are super expensive. We have lawyers that we suggest that are ethical. It’s by city, and it’s just everything, all-encompassing. It’s organizing your documents to help you analyze it. It has a note-taker that literally sits in meetings with you or conversations and records this information so it can help you understand what’s being said from a legal viewpoint. It’s just really helpful, and I really think it’s going to help so many people. I’m really proud of it. It’s just the beginning. This is our first version. It’s available at splitwell.com and the SplitWell app on Instagram. It’s free right now because we want to get as many users and help as many people as we can. We want to make it better, so I want everyone’s feedback. I’m just so excited to have this platform and to help people hopefully not go through what I and many other women have gone through. 

 What else can you tease about the rest of the season?

We have some great trips coming up. It just sucks fighting with a friend. It was so much anxiety whenever I had to see Larsa. I don’t like walking into a room and feeling like that. That sucked. But it gets better and then it gets worse and better. It’s literally a roller coaster, but we go on these amazing trips. We’re just jet setting around the world to Marbella, we’re in Sevilla, Spain. It’s just beautiful. And then Miami. So many amazing places to see. 

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

The Real Housewives of Miami airs Wednesday nights at 9 p.m. ET/PT on Bravo. New episodes are available to stream the next day on Peacock.